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How to model a T-72
Jacques
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Posted: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 03:26 AM UTC
Help to produce a proper T-72. Anyone can add information. I will try to post updated information at the top of this thread to make a quick, one stop information source, but it will be kept intentionally focused as quick help. Detailed discussion will still remain in the thread itself. All contributions welcome.
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Posted: Monday, December 06, 2010 - 05:13 AM UTC
1. T-72AV (Т-72АВ - russian transcription)
Version of the T-72 A with dynamic protection.
http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1660
2. T-72B model 1989 (Т-72Б образца 1989 года)
T-72B model 1989 (informal and mislabeled T-72BM) - a modernized version of the T-72B with explosive reactive armor "Contact-V, similar installed on T-80U.
http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1180
3. T-72B1 model 1985 (Т-72Б1 Объект 184-1 образца 1985 года)
T-72B1 (Object 184-1) (1985) - version of the T-72B without any editing of some elements of guided weapons. (From the usual T-72B can be distinguished by the absence of a radiator for missile guidance)
http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=253
4. T-72A (object 176) (1979) - Modernization of tank T-72. The main differences are: laser sight-rangefinder TPDK-1, a night gunner's sight TPN-3-49 with the lighter A-4, and the solid side shields protivokumulyativnye gun 2A46 (instead of guns 2A26M2), the system 902B launch smoke grenades, napalm protection system, the system traffic signal, night vision devices TVNE-4B driver, increase the dynamic course of rollers, the engine B-46-6.
http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1305

P. S. On the other tanks can be viewed on this website. http://www.dishmodels.ru/

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Posted: Monday, December 06, 2010 - 06:42 AM UTC
Considering what the kit market offers, to model a T72....it could be necessary a good t72 kit

Joking aside:

T72
http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1480
http://www.brdm2.estranky.cz/fotoalbum/tanky/stredni-tank-t-72

some T72M walkaround:
http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/t-72.htm
http://www.photoka.info/t72/index.htm
and here

CZECH T72M
http://www.brdm2.estranky.cz/fotoalbum/tanky/stredni-tank-t-72mk-_velitelsky-tank_
http://www.brdm2.estranky.cz/fotoalbum/tanky/stredni-tank-t-72m4-cz
http://www.brdm2.estranky.cz/fotoalbum/tanky/T-72
http://www.brdm2.estranky.cz/fotoalbum/tanky/stredni-tank-t-72


T72B
http://www.thetankmaster.com/english/afv/t72_01.asp
http://www.thetankmaster.com/english/afv/t-72b.asp
http://litnik.in.ua/content/view/601/102/

T72G (t72m in service with DDR)
http://www.thetankmaster.com/ENGLISH/afv/t-72_01.asp
http://www.thetankmaster.com/ENGLISH/afv/t-72_001.asp

Over 1000 pics and T72 drawings (click on the links to the left near the first pic)
http://army.lv/ru/t-72/631/17

(Olegas...unfortunately your third walkaround on the list...doesn't work ...)
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Posted: Monday, December 06, 2010 - 10:06 AM UTC
http://mhrfweb.makett.org/MHRF/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=63%3At-72-harckocsi&Itemid=11&lang=en
Just my ten cents...
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Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 02:47 PM UTC

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Considering what the kit market offers, to model a T72....it could be necessary a good t72 kit



Well the Tamiya kit isn't too bad, just has some shortcomings with it...which are very minor say vs the Skif T-64 and T-80 series LOL
Jacques
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 12:40 PM UTC
A question has been asked as to what T-72's the Iraqi's currently use. Everything I have been able to find indicates that they are ex-Hungarian T-72M and -M1 tanks, but that they do not have the front glacis applique, as per the Tamiya kit. Any comments?
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 01:07 PM UTC

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Considering what the kit market offers, to model a T72....it could be necessary a good t72 kit



Well the Tamiya kit isn't too bad, just has some shortcomings with it...which are very minor say vs the Skif T-64 and T-80 series LOL



Yes is true.I exaggerated. Is not so bad...but the wrong turret is a shame

For T64 i'm waiting for trumpeter kit

Anyway sorry for the off topic

Cheers
Jacques
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 04:56 PM UTC
To be honest, the Tamiya T-72 is fine for what it represents...a E. German tank from a batch of 27. Polish manufacture - a T-72M1 hull and T-72M turret. If you build it as a E. German tank, it is accurate.

Anything else, it needs work.
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 09:26 PM UTC
Yes, that's true Jacques. I've already read it on an armorama post, one of your accurate review about that

Removed by original poster on 12/21/10 - 19:19:24 (GMT).
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 07:23 AM UTC
Yugoslavian t72 (Aka M-84) walkaround and details

http://www.maketarskikutak.com/index.php/topic,10516.msg99847.html#msg99847

(cut and paste all the link on your browser bar)
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Posted: Monday, December 27, 2010 - 03:28 AM UTC
Jacques

As I saw on the pictures on the net all irak new T-72 are T-72M versions with and without tucha system.

but I have to edit my comment see this on the wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iraqi_tanks_during_the_parade.jpg

seems to be a T-72M1 with a protection of M-113 on the commander cuppola

regards
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Posted: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 07:01 AM UTC
I know weve been down this road before concerning the T-72M1 Tamiya kit applique on the glacis and actual usage. You can indeed build an Iraqi T-72M1 from the Tamiya kit. Ive seen photos of at least 2 with this set up in Pat Stansell's T-72 book (Greenline Publications???). It was after OIF 1.

Chris
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Posted: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 07:37 AM UTC
You have to change the turret, the iraqui tanks are T-72M1 and the tamiya kit is a rare version with T-72M1 hull and T-72M turret of the DR army so the problem is not the glacis but the turret

regards
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Posted: Monday, February 14, 2011 - 05:12 AM UTC
Just found this very helpful thread. Hope it`s still "alive"

I`d like to model a Cold War or just after that time, Russian Army T-72 A or AB , BM or other models from that time frame as shown in some of the walkarounds up thread and/or the Zaloga Osprey book on Cold War Tanks Central Front using the Tamiya T-72 kit.

While I don`t want to dump a ton of $$ into after market parts, what would I need for that ( miniarm,blast , SP Designs ?) or should I just try to detail the older DML A`s and EU`s kits ?

Thanks for any help !!
Jacques
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Posted: Monday, February 14, 2011 - 09:46 AM UTC
Well, for Russian army, there are 2 "easy" ways to get a accurate model:

Both involve using Tamiya's T-72 and Eduard's PE set for it.

1. Get SP Designs T-72 glacis and you have a T-72A early.

2. Get Miniarm's T-72A turret and you have a late T-72A.

If you want a specific look, like with ERA, then there will be more money involved. You can replicate the ERA either with a Miniarm turret and ERA, plus changes in the glacis plate, or by getting the Voyager/ET Model PE ERA sets and mounting them.

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Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - 03:15 AM UTC
Thanks Jacques

I will look into those AM`s.
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Posted: Monday, February 28, 2011 - 09:24 AM UTC
Jacques,

I guess this is the good place to ask this;

as this link mention (could be my two cents to his topic)

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/thread/1209626008/Overview+of+T-72A+models

Some of the late T-72 were fitted with add-on armour plate on the glacis, like M1's does. It appears that the main differences between those two versions are the kmt mount systems, anti radiation lining and extra stowage box on turret.

Now, could russia have herited of T-72 M1 hulls for a reason or another, and put back russian turret on those hulls? Therefore only needing a new turret,maybe some late type road wheel set and a PE set to make a "legit" russian T-72 ?

This was the set up I was having in mind for my T-72, if the result I get from restorating it are worth to put some extra money on it.

Thanks in advance!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 04:07 AM UTC
Tom, what you are describing sort-of happened. My understanding is that the tank that Tamiya based their T-72 on was one of 27 tanks made for E. Germany by Poland. The manufacturer in Poland had the "new" T-72M1 hull but also had 27 T-72M turrets on hand, so they mated them together and shipped them out to E. Germany. The E. Germans used them until the reunification and then soon after retired them and sent them all to museums. This is why museum pieces can be a problem for modelers...

The T-72M turret is "roughly" equivalent to the Russian plain T-72 turret used up to the early T-72A and the T-72M1 hull is equivalent to the Russian T-72A hull, but the Tamiya one has the "late" feature of the added 16mm welded front glacis armor. BUT be careful as there are some detail differences within the sub-variants, like the additional front glacis armor etc...

If you take the Tamiya hull, add a T-72A turret (Miniarm etc...), and the Eduard PE set, since you just dropped a lot on the turret, you will get a Russian tank that was in service. It would be a T-72A (late). And even within this narrow sub-variant of tanks, there will be some differences in things like the front fenders.

Best advice, if you are concerned about accuracy, is to pick a picture and work from that.
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Posted: Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 11:37 PM UTC
Does anybody know which barrel the T-72A used? Lionmarc lists the L/48 and the L/48 D18K.
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Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 06:52 AM UTC
What options are there to build accurate T-72 Ural (object 172M)?
I am thinking of Tamiya kit + SP Designs glacis + Model Point Ural turret, but what about shelve edges and flipper armor panels? Is there anything helpful on the market or do I have to build them myself?
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Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 07:53 AM UTC

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What options are there to build accurate T-72 Ural (object 172M)?
I am thinking of Tamiya kit + SP Designs glacis + Model Point Ural turret, but what about shelve edges and flipper armor panels? Is there anything helpful on the market or do I have to build them myself?



Skif did a T-64 with gill armor, perhaps that is usable on the T-72 as well. I think eduard also released an etch set with some included as well, again possible for a T-64.

And by 'shelve edges' I assume you are referring to the earlier style side skirts? As far as I know these arent available in any kit form. But on the real thing look very simplistic so cant be too hard to make.

I too intend to do an early T-72Ural soon, as a Libyan tank, utilizing the MP turret, Miniarm front hull, Tamiya kit and some elbow grease.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - 08:27 PM UTC
Hey!

Rob is right, Eduard offers the "flip out" panels for the T-64, but those damn puristic in design. (Edurad 35203, for T-64A)
The panel itself looks okay, (maybe a bit too flat) but the mounting arms should be replaced.

Here is a pic of my T-64 with those panels.



Hope this helps,

Andreas
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Posted: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 - 11:08 AM UTC

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Hey!

Rob is right, Eduard offers the "flip out" panels for the T-64, but those damn puristic in design. (Edurad 35203, for T-64A)
The panel itself looks okay, (maybe a bit too flat) but the mounting arms should be replaced.

Here is a pic of my T-64 with those panels.



Hope this helps,

Andreas





Looking awesome.....
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 02:13 AM UTC
Am I wrong ?
- Obiekt 172, Obiekt 172M, T-72 Ural : ModelPoint turret
- T-72A/M1 : Miniarm, Blast and JS-Model
- T-72M : Verlinden

Please, correct this if wrong.